February 6, 2009

Update on Susan Atkins


It was last summer that I wrote about Manson Family killer Susan Atkins' attempt to con and bully the State of California even further by obtaining a "compassionate" release due to her brain cancer. Today I thought about that and wondered if the Earth had become a better place, due to Ms. Atkins' passing.

While I don't see that Ms. Atkins has left our world, I did find that she was transferred to the Central California Women's Facility in Chowchilla in September (she had previously been incarcerated at a facility in Corona). I also read that in July of last year, it was estimated that Atkins' medical care had cost the State of California $1.15 million and the cost of guarding her was $308,000. Well, no wonder the state is broke. Between paying living expenses for people like Nadya Sullman and providing a cold-blooded, unrepentant murderer like Susan Atkins with treatment, medication and comfort, it's amazing California can still afford to pay its state employees.

This is my solution. Give Atkins an aspirin every 4-6 hours, make sure she stays hydrated and call it a day. In all honesty, this is what the military does if no limbs are missing or bones are broken. Susan Atkins butchered a woman who was nine months pregnant. I have no compassion for her whatsoever. Let taxpayer money go to provide medical care for someone who is deserving, someone who has worked to make our world a better place, someone who has contributed positively.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

IN DEFENSE OF THE MANSON FAMILY MEMBERS: THE EVENTS OF THE PAST ARE JUST THAT:THE PAST. HAVE ANY OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE MANSON FAMILY MURDER SCHEME BEEN INVOLVED IN PRISON RIOTS, ATTACKS ON THE GUARDS, HAVE ANY OF THEM BEEN FOUND CHANTING KILL, KILL KILL AROUMD A PENTAGRAM ON THE FLOOR OF THEIR CELL? OR ANY TYPE OF ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIORS? NO, THEY HAVE NOT. WAKE UP!

Anonymous said...

the past is only the past when it dont effect the present,The families that had their lives destroyed by this monster still live. How dare you suggest that they should riot as well.If these people prayed in their rooms for the rest of their lives it still would not compensate for what they did people like you scare me.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this worthless, sorry excuse for a human being dead yet? I thought she only had like 6 months to live a while back...what's the hold up?

Lori said...

No, Susan Atkins is apparently still alive and kicking, and costly the already financially strapped state of California God knows how much per day to keep her alive.
Supposedly last summer she had 6 months to live, but she was also applying for a compassionate release, to spend her "last days" with her family - - something her victims and their families didn't have the luxury of doing.
I'll be sure to update my blog as soon as I hear that she's gone on to face a much higher judge and jury than the State of California.

Anonymous said...

I could not agree more - give her some water, 2 asprin - and let her die already. She should have been executed a long time ago. I have zero sympathy for someone who could butcher a pleading pregnant woman.

Rot in hell Susan Atkins.

She doesn't deserve an ounce of medical treatment!

Anonymous said...

The anonymous QUACK wrote:
"N DEFENSE OF THE MANSON FAMILY MEMBERS: THE EVENTS OF THE PAST ARE JUST THAT:THE PAST. HAVE ANY OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE MANSON FAMILY MURDER SCHEME BEEN INVOLVED IN PRISON RIOTS, ATTACKS ON THE GUARDS, HAVE ANY OF THEM BEEN FOUND CHANTING KILL, KILL KILL AROUMD A PENTAGRAM ON THE FLOOR OF THEIR CELL? OR ANY TYPE OF ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIORS? NO, THEY HAVE NOT. WAKE UP!"


What kind of nut job are you?!

Personally speaking, I could care LESS what the mansion criminals have done since they've been put into prison to rot for their crimes. It means NOTHING to me. Totally irrelevant.
See, the past DOES matter.
That's why they're in prison. It's called justice! Well, actually, real justice would have been to carry out the original sentence and execute them.
So if anyone should wake up, I say it's you. And hopefully if or when you? You don't have a copycat mansion nut hovering over you with a freaking knife!

Geez, people like you are clueless!

Anonymous said...

I was hoping she had finally died. As to the 'past is the past' comment, let's look at the past. These girls and Tex listened to everything Manson said and did everything Manson told them to. All these years in prison they have listened to what the prison officials have said and done what prison officials have told them. They are just as dangerous now as they were then, the only difference is that the prison system is now in control of their minds and actions instead of a crazed psychopath. Leave the sheep in prison. I am of course excluding Squeaky from this generalization as she is still devoted to and just as crazy as Manson.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't even waste aspirin on her to be honest. Let her suffer. I can only hope that her death will be slow and painful.

Anonymous said...

The State of California has already given her a second chance by commuting her DEATH SENTENCE to life in prison. Good riddance to Susan Atkins her death is 40 years overdue. Forget the Aspirin, give her some Cyanide.

Anonymous said...

It dosnt matter what anyone thinks, she will die in prison.I for one am glad.Lets stop these silly websites its not fair on the families of the victims. she and the other monsters are dead and burried and we can sleep a little easier at night

Anonymous said...

God is in control. If He wanted Susan Atkins executed, it would have happened. If He wants her to spend the rest of her life in prison (which seems most likely), then it will happen. If He wants to let her out, then it will happen. Also, who are you to judge? Demons tempt, attack and influence everyone at one point or another in their lives (most people w/o knowing it). Fast, pray and seek true wisdom for yourselves, wear your spiritual armor and stop focusing on a case where justice is being served just as God wants it to be.

Anonymous said...

She's still alive???? I hope they never let her out, I agree, give her a generic asprin, tap water and that is it. Compassion leave?? give me a break, let her suffer. Her ultimate judgement and punishment still awaits her. and as far as the past being the past, the families have to live with the loss,pain and grief everyday, where is their compassion leave from what they have to live with? Time does not undo what she and the Manson Family did, time is what they deprived their victims of, nothing will bring them back, that baby will never know what it is like to draw breath. My compassion is with the victims and their families, they are the only ones deserving of it.

Anonymous said...

Please release S.A. to save the State of California from bankrupcy. To those who are against releasing S.A., are you ok seeing hundreds, if not thousands of teachers being laid off due to budget crisis? What do you keep Susan Atkins in jail for? Are you ok seeing hundreds and thousands of public services being cut because California is out of money? Why do you have to keep paying for Susan Atkins' medical bills. Where are your minds? Please stop talking non-sense, and be realistic.

Good luck!

Lori said...

If the State of California should elect to release Susan Atkins in order to save money (which they won't, believe me), where do they draw the line? While Atkins' medical expenses are costly and ridiculous, considering that millions of hardworking and productive Americans are without health insurance, each prisoner costs the state a ridiculous sum. So where do you draw the line? Only release those prisoners that are terminally ill? Only release those prisoners that are getting up in years? How would the families of their victims feel about that?

Maybe the solution is to take away the medical benefits they get, as well as the dental. I, for one, don't care if their teeth rot up and fall out. Get rid of the "comforts" some of these prisons have - - prison is supposed to be a punishment, not a resort. I'm not suggesting all of them are, but when you viciously stab and slash multiple people, including a pregnant woman, for no other reason than for kicks, you have forfeited any right to a free and productive life, in my opinion. Atkins (and those like her) should just be grateful she lived past August 9, 1969 and had many years her victims did not (including being able to share her story with various markets and get married).

Anonymous said...

See, the thing that everyone is forgetting is that when a person is held by the state AGAINST THEIR WILL...(which basically defines any prisoner...not just Susan Atkins)they have to be given the things they are not able to provide for themselves. Like food, clothing, safety, medical care, etc. I know this seems unbelievably irrelevant to some people, but Americans are humane. Regardless of what someone did, if they are imprisoned, they have their needs met for them. I'm not saying it's good or fair or anything. I'm only saying that it is this way because that was the will of the voters at the time these laws were made. On a personal note: I have met and spoken with Susan almost daily for over 2 years. (just prior to her illness) If you met her on the street you would never know who she was or be able to imagine even for a moment that she did those awful things. She has been in prison for 40 years and up until the day before she went to the hospital, she spent those 40 years trying to help others. I wasn't even born when those crimes happened, and it is hard for me to imagine that Susan was a part of it. For those that say she has no remorse. That is absolute nonsense. How can anyone say with any authority how a person feels that they have never even met? Susan was a model inmate and did nothing but try to make the lives of those around her better. I realize everyone is entitled to their opinion--it's just frustrating to hear so many people talking about Susan as though they know her thoughts and feelings--when they don't.

Anonymous said...

As bad as the crimes were, we live in a society where the law just plain doesn't apply to everyone. For all those who think it unfair that Susan Atkins be released, take a few minutes to read this case:

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/shanda_sharer/1.html

And now realize that all of the evil women involved will walk out of jail (some have already). There will be no life in jail for them.

How fair is this?

TH

Anonymous said...

So hold on a second... I am in my mid-20's, have a college degree, have never been in any kind of trouble with the police outside of a speeding ticket and I still can't afford to have medical insurance while this disgusting woman, the murderer of a pregnant woman has received over a million dollars in health care treatments that neither she nor her family will be held responsible for? Doesn't Governor Schwartzeneggar have better things to spend taxpayer's money on? Dying slowly of cancer is a horrible way to go, but I think Susan Atkins' victims would have preferred being alive for the last 40 years even if cancer was going to catch up to each of them.

Anonymous said...

That's a lot of money!!, you should put a bullet through her head like the chinese do. Or hand her to the muslims in Iran for stoning.

Anonymous said...

It is the day after the Board of Parole Hearings decided for the second time against granting Susan Atkins a compassionate release. I’ve read all of the above comments and with that I would like to add:

The crimes committed 40 years ago were without question horrific. I cannot imagine the terror of the victims knowing they were about to die.

The media has played on the fears/emotions of the public for 40 years depicting the details of these awful crimes to sell newspapers and television airtime. Had this story not been made into the epic it has become, those who were sentenced for their actions in the Tate-LaBianca crimes might have walked out their prison doors long ago.

I am not excusing any of the actions of the Manson family members. I did; however, visit the official website of Susan Atkins and read up on how she has tried to repay society for her actions 40 years ago.

THE FACTS OF THE CRIME WILL NEVER CHANGE…..BUT THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME IS NOT ONLY CAPABLE, BUT OFTEN THEY DO TURN THEIR LIFE AROUND AND CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

It is human nature to feel righteous about judging something we perceive to be wrong….in this case many people feel empowered by casting their hatred at Susan. The self-righteous are elevated in this power position over Susan. There is an uprush of feeling superior by casting such hatred at someone. Resentment binds you to the thing you hate.

The people who made the comments above are evolving the identity of Susan Atkins and moving in her time zone from 40 years ago. I ask you: How are you any better than Susan was 40 years ago?

Who do you think God is more pleased with Susan Atkins who has repented of her crimes? Or the self-righteous who throw stones at her? Are you a Pharisee or are you truly a child of God who recognizes that your sins are no better than Susan’s? Let he who is without sin be first to cast a stone. John 8:7

How we treat the least among us is a testament to our true character. Resentment is the inferior reaction. Resent not evil….but overcome it with good.

Teri said...

I keep reading some of these venemous comments and the only thing I can think of is how sad it is that so many people can call themselves religious, yet they can't begin to see how God could work a miracle in anyone.

You want to continue to see Susan Atkins as she was, not as she has been for many years since 1969. I had the pleasure of meeting Susan and talking with her in 2001. She was intelligent and our brief conversation left me wondering if any of Sharon Tate's family had met her in any of the years since the crime and trial. Apparently not, because they continue to use being the family of a victim as their hammer.

Either you believe that God can change someone or you don't. There is no halfway belief. I know that Susan has been changed. Too bad so many of you will end up being sent back to earth for another go around. Karma truly is a bitch, folks.

Anonymous said...

Well said Teri (Sept 8th). I'm glad to see there is some support for Susan Atkins and that not everyone believes she is the same person she was 40 years ago. My previous comment was from Sept 3rd and I was just checking back to see if there were more hateful comments. I'm very pleased that not everyone in this world is hateful and that sometimes people can forgive and become better people.

Lori said...

I don't believe it's my place to forgive Susan Atkins. That is up to God. As I've said before, if she has changed and bettered her life, good for her. It doesn't change what she did to earn her incarceration. She's not there because a few people don't like her; she's there because she committed first degree murder. If she weren't a part of the Manson crimes, I do think she would have been paroled by now, yes. However, she was sentenced to death, which was commuted to life in prison. She is serving the (reduced) sentence she was given based on her actions, nothing more and nothing less.

The victims and their families were given a life sentence as well. I would much rather reserve my sympathies and concerns for them.

I don't think that makes me hateful. What was done on August 8-9, 1969 was hateful.

Anonymous said...

1. Susan Atkins last days as written by her husband*
From: James Whitehouse
Subject: Susan Atkins Update, September 25th, 2009
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:32 PM
To All Our Dear Friends, September 25th, 2009
I told someone recently that I always knew Susan and I had good friend and relatives, but it has only been over the last year and a half that I discovered that we have absolutely incredible friends and absolutely incredible relatives. I honestly don’t think either Susan or I would have survived without you all.
Unfortunately last night we lost Susan. I was able to spend several hours with her Wednesday evening, and then all day with her yesterday. I left her about 8:00 pm and she passed about 11:00 pm. But she was surrounded by the inmate-hospice workers, including our faith-filled friend Carletha, whose stories about Susan I have been able to share with you over the months. Susan was also surrounded by the aides and workers in the Skilled Nursing Facility who had taken such incredible care of Susan over the last year, and who showed her incredible kindness, compassion and love. I was able to see her shortly afterward and she was very peaceful and beautiful. I stayed with her for almost five hours, straightening her sheets and folding her arms across her waist and washing her hands. And I prayed with her and held her and talked to her and sang to her. And I sat and petted her shoulder and arm as I have done for the last year and half and brushed her hair back behind her ears. It was very nice. I told her she was still my beautiful, beautiful bride.
The last time I heard Susan’s voice was two weeks ago. We spent a nice quiet day with me reading to her and talking but she never spoke or opened her eyes. And when it was time to leave I told her so, and I bent over and held her as I prayed, and when I got to the end I finished as I always had, “In Jesus Name… Aaaaaa…” and Susan suddenly opened her mouth and whispered “men!”
And the last time she interacted with me was about three weeks ago when I noticed she had her eyes open and was watching me with half a smile on her lips. Since we were down to 10 to 15 minutes of eye contact a day I realized this might be the last time I got to really talk to her and so I told her I had to tell her something important, and she looked at me very serious. I told her (1) we had a friend in Israel who had gone into Jerusalem that weekend and had left a prayer for her in the Western Wall. I told Susan I thought that was such a beautiful gift and I wished I’d been able to do that for her. And (2) her brother had made a wonderful life, with a beautiful family and a beautiful house he’d built. I told Susan that her brother was going to be alright. And (3) I told her that no matter where she went I was always going to be with her, and she was always going to be with me. I asked if she understood and she nodded with a half smile on her lips as though she already knew everything I’d told her. Her eyes were big and child-like and beautiful.
And the last time I saw her respond to anyone was two weeks ago when her brother came to see her. He stayed for four hours but we couldn’t even get Susan to open her eyes. She’d barely nod when I spoke to her. But just as it was time for her brother to leave Susan opened her eyes sleepily, and I told him to quickly lean over the bed right in front of her so she could see him. And slowly Susan recognized him and immediately she got a big smile. It was incredibly beautiful. And I really can’t think of a better way of Susan spending her last lucent moments, seeing that her brother and his wife had come to sit with her and talk and watch over her while she rested.

**to be continued

Anonymous said...

1. Susan Atkins last days as written by her husband*
From: James Whitehouse
Subject: Susan Atkins Update, September 25th, 2009
Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:32 PM
To All Our Dear Friends, September 25th, 2009
I told someone recently that I always knew Susan and I had good friend and relatives, but it has only been over the last year and a half that I discovered that we have absolutely incredible friends and absolutely incredible relatives. I honestly don’t think either Susan or I would have survived without you all.
Unfortunately last night we lost Susan. I was able to spend several hours with her Wednesday evening, and then all day with her yesterday. I left her about 8:00 pm and she passed about 11:00 pm. But she was surrounded by the inmate-hospice workers, including our faith-filled friend Carletha, whose stories about Susan I have been able to share with you over the months. Susan was also surrounded by the aides and workers in the Skilled Nursing Facility who had taken such incredible care of Susan over the last year, and who showed her incredible kindness, compassion and love. I was able to see her shortly afterward and she was very peaceful and beautiful. I stayed with her for almost five hours, straightening her sheets and folding her arms across her waist and washing her hands. And I prayed with her and held her and talked to her and sang to her. And I sat and petted her shoulder and arm as I have done for the last year and half and brushed her hair back behind her ears. It was very nice. I told her she was still my beautiful, beautiful bride.
The last time I heard Susan’s voice was two weeks ago. We spent a nice quiet day with me reading to her and talking but she never spoke or opened her eyes. And when it was time to leave I told her so, and I bent over and held her as I prayed, and when I got to the end I finished as I always had, “In Jesus Name… Aaaaaa…” and Susan suddenly opened her mouth and whispered “men!”
And the last time she interacted with me was about three weeks ago when I noticed she had her eyes open and was watching me with half a smile on her lips. Since we were down to 10 to 15 minutes of eye contact a day I realized this might be the last time I got to really talk to her and so I told her I had to tell her something important, and she looked at me very serious. I told her (1) we had a friend in Israel who had gone into Jerusalem that weekend and had left a prayer for her in the Western Wall. I told Susan I thought that was such a beautiful gift and I wished I’d been able to do that for her. And (2) her brother had made a wonderful life, with a beautiful family and a beautiful house he’d built. I told Susan that her brother was going to be alright. And (3) I told her that no matter where she went I was always going to be with her, and she was always going to be with me. I asked if she understood and she nodded with a half smile on her lips as though she already knew everything I’d told her. Her eyes were big and child-like and beautiful.
And the last time I saw her respond to anyone was two weeks ago when her brother came to see her. He stayed for four hours but we couldn’t even get Susan to open her eyes. She’d barely nod when I spoke to her. But just as it was time for her brother to leave Susan opened her eyes sleepily, and I told him to quickly lean over the bed right in front of her so she could see him. And slowly Susan recognized him and immediately she got a big smile. It was incredibly beautiful. And I really can’t think of a better way of Susan spending her last lucent moments, seeing that her brother and his wife had come to sit with her and talk and watch over her while she rested.

Anonymous said...

Oops, my apologies. I did not include the last portion of this heartfelt letter written by Susan's husband. Please forgive my faux pas. Here is the last portion of James Whitehouse's letter to his and Susan's supporters.

Yesterday, as I sat with Susan and watched her breath, and as I was petting her shoulder and stroking her arm and singing to her, I finally leaned over and told her that it was alright. I told her she could go if it was time. I told her I was incredibly proud of her. I told her I was incredibly proud of her at the hearing, that I was incredibly proud of how hard she’d fought over the last year and more, and that I was incredibly proud of her every single day that she’d been my wife. I told her that no one on the face of the Earth had worked as hard as she had to right an unrightable wrong. I told her that she’d made every single day of my life happy and fun and exciting. I told her again that I was always going to be with her, no matter where she went, and that she was always going to be with me.
When I first met Susan she was the only friend I had. I’d alienated everyone. And it was Susan who encouraged me as I cleaned up and got my life back together and re-contacted my family and then reestablished my friends. And over the last 24 years she’s been the only one I talked to about everything. Susan was the only perfect thing I’ve ever seen. She was the only person in the world who smiled absolutely every single time she saw me. She always believed in me. And every time something happened to me the very first thing I’d think would be “wait until I tell Susan about this!” Every single rose bush in my backyard was planted and tended just because I thought it would make Susan smile. And every single door frame in my house, that I sanded and sanded until it was so smooth you could run your hand over every inch without a splinter, was done with the expectation (not hope) that Susan would be walking through those doorways some day. She was so beautiful even at the end, and the aides cried with me yesterday when they brought me to her room.
A year and a half ago the neurology team at Riverside County Regional Medical Center asked the prison to let me come say goodbye to my wife. They said I had a couple days. That was a year and a half ago, and Susan and I have had a lot of incredibly good days in that year and a half. I made her laugh and smile a lot. We watched movies together and the NBA finals and the Raiders, and we celebrated holidays and our Anniversary, and I got to kiss her a lot too. And she made me extremely proud. And I am still extremely in love with my wife.
Oh, also, I’m writing to the Governor to ask why he appoints Parole Board members who deliberately violate the law. In California the law states they MUST release Susan unless there is EVIDENCE she would present a danger to people if released. In Susan’s case they had all the medical information. This really makes our Justice System look like a malicious joke. If you’d like you can do the same thing. His address is:
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
And the cool thing is that if you write him his office will have to write you back, which is kind of neat getting a letter from “Governor” Schwarzenegger.
The only other thing is that I will give you all information as to any services that we hold. I am not sure there will be any, but if there are you will know.
Thank you all for being incredible friends, and for making Susan smile and laugh and making her feel loved and appreciated and special and accepted and valued. God bless you!
James (and Susan too!)

Anonymous said...

Lori, you said you on March 16, 2009, that you were going to update us when Susan passed away. Well, that was over a week ago. When will you post something new?

I'll be sure to update my blog as soon as I hear that she's gone on to face a much higher judge and jury than the State of California.

fireberry7 said...

Debt Paid In Full. Go on now Susan, because if you can't receive forgiveness then none of us can.

Rev. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

How many in our own military have committed crimes as bad as her? I don't mean war, but the side effect of war be it rape and murder. Ted Kennedy left the girl to drown and went on home. We are a nation of double standards. So please be sure that you invoke the same harsh words in the same measure to everyone that commits a crime.

I am sorry for the murdered, I am sorry for the families, I am sorry for a life that had to be lived in prison, and James I am sorry you lost your best friend.

God's Grace is all that is important to her now.

fireberry7 said...

Debt Paid In Full. Go on now Susan, because if you can't receive forgiveness then none of us can.

Rev. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

How many in our own military have committed crimes as bad as her? I don't mean war, but the side effect of war be it rape and murder. Ted Kennedy left the girl to drown and went on home. We are a nation of double standards. So please be sure that you invoke the same harsh words in the same measure to everyone that commits a crime.

I am sorry for the murdered, I am sorry for the families, I am sorry for a life that had to be lived in prison, and James I am sorry you lost your best friend.

God's Grace is all that is important to her now.

Maggpie72265 said...

fireberry, very well said. We need to remember that we've all done lots of horrible things...and if Susan cannot be forgiven - then none of us can. James (Susan's husband), I was so touched by the letter. May you find peace in your hour of sadness and loss.

Anonymous said...

Why do people still report that she killed Sharon Tate? Tex Watson confessed to that in his 1978 book. He said Atkins killed no one, that he did it all. Susan Atkins did not even implicate herself as the murderer in the GJ testimony. She only said this in jail, which was obviously to make the inmates fear/respect her. But, Tex's trial was after Susan Atkins so this information was used against her in court and the jury bought it. She did not actively kill Tate, Tex did. He fully admits this. Atkins is in no way innocent, but lies suck.